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Topic: Would you like to write for the Inn?
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>> I was reassured by numerous responses to any concerns I raised and, after getting to truly know the fine folk around here, more than convinced. We are a family around here and we congregate to have fun, share ideas, and generally "feel good". The last thing we want to do is "rip people off" or "snag their ideas and put our own label" on them.<<
A lovely sentiment and one shared by many of the RDI's patrons, I'm sure.
I've seen numerous similar websites. They don't always remain that way.
Conider this scenario, you may think it unlikely, but will have to admit that it is very possible.
The RDI grows, and remains popular. Whether it is the result of the economy, bad luck, illness... whatever, the site's owner suffers sufficient calamity that operating the site becomes a burden. But the site is popular enough that it attracts the intentions of a buyer. A deal is made, the site is sold, and just like that, all of the good intentions of the current owner are meaningless. The new owner is not necessarily evil or unscrupulous, but he is operating a business and is in it for one reason: to make money. And when that happens, when it is no longer a labor of love, then suddenly the guy who posted his new gaming system here for testing and feedback has a challenger who's wiling to go to court to defend his "rights".
Will it happen? Almost assuredly not. Can it happen? Of course it can. Some of my favorite websites have hanged ownership, Allakhazam's comes to mind. So, while your good intentions may reassure those who post here, it wouldn't take all that much for them to really mean almost nothing.
That's just the way I see it. And to reiterate my point as succinctly as possible, I just think that the terms of the TOS (specifically the section about posted material becoming property of the site) should be more widely disseminated. Most of the people that post here are doing so, ignorant of that statement and its potential effects.
Posted on 2011-07-21 at 14:12:32.
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Topic: Would you like to write for the Inn?
Subject: .
>>Then again, the post that I responded to was #4 on the site for you.. and was the second post griping about how rdinn.net was going to steal your character ideas and such.<<
I've never suggested that you were going to steal anyone's ideas or characters. It is interesthing, however, that you complain of my tone, and then mis-characterize my posts so much. What I've suggested is that those that post here should be made aware, beyond the reading of the TOS, that anything they post here becomes the property of this site.
>>If you are so concerned about your intellectual property that you don't feel comfortable posting in a game here - especially after I have explained exactly why the TOS is worded the way that it is... well, perhaps you shouldn't post in any games here.<<
And I don't, as you yourself just pointed out, I have (had) only four posts, and two them dealt with this issue.
>>I own this site. I am telling you in no uncertain terms why the TOS is worded in the way that it is. I am telling you in no uncertain terms that I have never attempted, nor will I ever attempt, to take someone's characters or stories and present them as my own - for profit or any other reason. Change in the atmosphere, my eye.<<'
Uh-huh. And yet, this: Anything posted to the Red Dragon Inn forums is considered to be the property of Rdinn.com. We reserve the right to reprint, disseminate, edit, and/or delete anything posted to these message forums and/or chatrooms" remains in place and in effect. If you never have any intention of exercising some or all of those rights, then you have no need for that statement. Its really no big issue to me (despite what you may think), because I will not risk losing the rights to any of my ideas by posting them here. Others do, however, post here, and I think most of them have not read the TOS, and are not aware, except when I bring it up, of the implications of that statement in the TOS.
>>To take my earlier suggestion a step further - if you are so anti-rdinn, why would you want to keep coming here? I'm quite certain that you can find another forum that suits your interests better.<<
I like to read.
Posted on 2011-07-21 at 13:52:57.
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Topic: Would you like to write for the Inn?
Subject: .
>>That applies only to items posted on the forums - and anytime anyone has ever had a question about it, we have never tried to enforce that clause in any sort of draconian fashion. That clause is there, more than anything else, to prevent players from "taking their ball and going home".<<
Everyday for the last ten years on my drive to work, I make a left hand turn. There's a sign there prohibiting left hand turns between the hours of 6am and 10am. It hasn't been enforced for the entire ten years I've been turning there. When questioned about it the local cops say they don't enforce it. Or didn't until yesterday.
What you choose to do and what you are able to do are two very different things, and all it takes is a slight change in the atmosphere to turn the attitudes of the local authorities around.
>>Most of the forum games take months, even years, to run. If a player becomes dissatisfied and wants to delete all of their posts, it can really damage the enjoyment of a game for everyone else.<<
Perhaps if this is such a big problem, the DMs need to treat their players better. I fail to see how the deletion of game turns that have already been posted, read, and responded to would be a problem. Do your GMs not keep archives of all that has gone on in the game? This is a very, very weak justification for the copyright disclaimer.
>>We have NEVER attempted to present anyone's ideas as our own, or tried to profit from them in any way. Furthermore, every single article posted on the site fully credits the author of the article. Before we post it, we make sure that the author actually WANTS us to do so.<<
Again, its not a matter of what you do, so much as a matter of what you could do.
>>Neither your suggestion nor your tone are appreciated, Flanker.<<
You may not appreciate it, but the guy who creates a character or game concept here, posts it, and some years down the road tries to make money off of it only to find that YOU hold the copyright to it, might.
You will not find any posts here of mine that are creative in nature for that very reason.
As for the tone, I would suggest that that is something you projected into my post, not something I put there.
Posted on 2011-07-20 at 17:36:04.
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Topic: Would you like to write for the Inn?
Subject: In the interest of honesty...
... don't you think you ought to mention that everything posted on the site becomes copyrighted by the site?
Posted on 2011-07-19 at 21:58:08.
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Topic: Five Lines of Rhyme
Subject: Limerick
Mod Edit: This post removed due to questionable content.
Ummm... okay, Flanker... a bit inappropriate despite the ***** (funny, perhaps, for those of us old enough to appreciate it, but, dude, we've got little ones around... also, I think Ody's intent was to keep it gaming/Inn related...) If you have any questions, please PM me.
Thanks,
Eol
Posted on 2010-08-21 at 02:17:08.
Edited on 2010-08-21 at 03:24:54 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Characters without stories
Subject: Characters
You guys do realize that anything you post here, including your characters, become the property of the web site owners, right?
Posted on 2010-06-28 at 23:44:59.
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Topic: Guess the Quote
Subject: Nobody!
What Colin Powell actually said was:
"We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."
What writer once remarked upon hearing that one of his most severe critics had just killed himself with a single shot to the brain said "He must have been an extraordinary marksman."
Posted on 2009-07-10 at 16:54:29.
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