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gboy
Wee Grugglet
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Optimization Challenges

So to everyone out there who though they made a pretty kick ass character, I propose the following challenge to you.

Who can make an ECL 20 D&D 3.5 character who can deal more damage than:


Character Name: Oswald- the strangest knight in all the lands

Race: Half-Minotaur Orc
Classes: Barbarian 1 (Lion Totem Variant- Complete Champion
Kensai (Fighter Variant) 6
Psychic Warrior 5
Bear Warrior 5
Warshaper 2

System: Forgotten Realms (Unapproachable East)

Short Description: A big bear... a really really big bear.. like really big... gargantuan even. With a lance... in his mouth? And what is that he is riding? Could it be the collosal horse of wonder? Nope, it's just his cohort Charly under the simultaneous effects of polymorph and giant size.

Boy? he sure looks clumsy riding that guy; but the lance is pretty sharp... But he's just so cute... oh sweet merciful crap; HE?S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!

Ability Scores:

Str: 73 (18 base (+4 Orc, +12 Half-Minotaur, +4 Levels, +16 Brown Bear Form +4 Augmented Expansion +6 Belt of Giant Strength (w/Wilding clasp) +5 Manual +4 Warshaper)
Dex: 4 (8 base, -2 race, -4 augmented expansion, +2 Brown Bear Form)
Con: 26 (10 base + 4 Racial +8 Brown Bear Form +4 Warshaper)
Int: 8 (12 base, -4 racial)
Wis: 8 (8 base, -2 orc, +2 half minotaur)
Cha: 20 (16 base, -2 orc +6 Cloak)

Character Sheet:

Deity: None
Alignment: CN
Hit Points: 265
Saves: Fort +26, Ref +2, Will +4

Progression:

Level 1- Barbarian (Lion Totem) 1- Pounce, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack (via flaw)
Level 2- Psychic Warrior 1- Spirited Charge
Level 3- Psychic Warrior 2- Power Attack, Weapon Focus
Level 4- Kensai (fighter variant) 1- +1 to hit/damage with lance
Level 5- Kensai 2- Rain of Blows- Take -3 to all attacks for round for 1 extra attack with lance
Level 6- Kensai 3- Leap Attack
Level 7- Psychic Warrior 3
Level 8- Psychic Warrior 4-
Level 9- Kensai 4- Storm of Blows- Take -6 on all attacks for 2 extra attack with lance, Ldrship
Level 10- Kensai 5- +2 to hit/damage with lance
Level 11- Psychic Warrior 5- Practiced Manifester
Level 12- Kensai 6- Weapon Specialization, Martial Study- Any White Raven Maneuver
Level 13- Bear Warrior 1
Level 14- Bear Warrior 2
Level 15- Bear Warrior 3- Martial Study-Battle Leader's Charge
Level 16- Bear Warrior 4
Level 17- Bear Warrior 5-
Level 18- Warshaper 1- Martial Stance- Leading the Charge
Level 19- Warshaper 2



Skills of note:Enough ranks in jump to qualify for leap attack, a couple ranks in ride.. Though really I just avoid making advanced battle maneuvers

Spells of Note: Expansion- Augmented to increase size category by 2 sizes

Items of Note:

Belt of Giant's Strength (+6) with Wilding Clasp
Torc of the Titans w/ Wilding Clasp
Rhino Hide Armor (w/ Wilding clasp)
+5 Valorous Charging Mouthpick Lance of Collision


What books are needed for this build?
Complete Champion
Dragon 310
Expanded Psionics Handbook
Complete Warrior
Magic Item Compendium
Unapproachable East
Complete Arcane
Lords of Madness

Very Quick Note about the cohort.

Charly is a Level 15 Human Wu-Jen
Of note; all he does is use the feat Craft Contingent Spell to create a contingent Giant Size which takes effect when he polymorphs into a horse

So, he hastes both of us, then he polymorphs into a horse, his contingent spell activates and he becomes size colossal. I then saddle him up with the size colossal saddle and mount up to ride into battle (very clumsily)

Now- Onto the Damage Calculation.

First: Some Points of Interest
(just to clarify some of the more out-there parts of the build)

Battle Leader?s Charge allows me as a full round action to make a charge attack that deals +10 damage

Leading the charge gives me and all my allies a bonus on damage on charge attacks equal to my initiation level. Initiator level for a non-initiator is equal to ½ of their other character levels; so in my case +9.

The Valorous weapon enhancement is from Unapproachable East, and allows a weapon used on a mounted charge to deal damage. Importantly, this stacks with the lance and spirited charge.

Mouthpick is a weapon special ability worth a +1 bonus from Lord of Madness; it allows a creature to replace a bite attack with a weapon attack, on a weapon which is fit specially for use in a mouth. It is perhaps the wackiest ability ever; but it is great stuff; and it lets you make multiple attacks if your BAB allows it.

Total Attack Calculation-
Superlance + 31/+31/+31/+31/+26/+21/+16

Four of these attacks are gained for high BAB, another 1 from haste, and 2 more for using the Storm of Blows ability. Note that due to my barbarian substitution level granting pounce, I can make all of these attacks on a charge.

Total Damage Modifier- x2 Lance- x3 Spirited Charge-- x4 Valorous Weapon

4(4d6 (Gargantuan Lance) + 45 (1.5x Str) +72 (Power attack for 18 with Leap Attack) + 10 Battle Leader?s Charge + 9 Leading the Charge + 5 Collision + 5 Weapon Enhancement + 2 Favored Weapon +2 Weapon Specialization) + 2d6 Charging + 2d6 Rhino Hide Armor

or

4(164) + 21
=
656+21= 677 per attack on average without a crit

With his 7 attacks per round; this means 4,739 damage per round on average without critical hits

Add in the two claw attacks and the number goes up a little bit more, but not enough for me to put into the calculations. If we want to invoke a belt of battle use, the cohort will have an additional contingent teleportation to whisk the two of us fifty feet away from the enemy at the end of my attack sequence. At this point we will both activate slotless belts of battle and do it once more; just for the hell of it. But that would be overkill.



Posted on 2009-04-18 at 04:24:30.

Brianna
Not Dragon Mistress
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2282 Posts


LOL

definitely over the top there gboy.


Posted on 2009-04-18 at 04:36:03.

gboy
Wee Grugglet
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1669 Posts


I'm just showing...

The glory of 3.5. And I'm opening the door to anyone who can beat it.


Posted on 2009-04-18 at 04:41:55.

Nimu
RDI Fixture
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1427 Posts


Ha!

I'm with Brianna on this one. It does conjure a most lovely image.


Posted on 2009-04-18 at 20:48:39.
Edited on 2009-04-18 at 20:51:11 by Nimu

Brianna
Not Dragon Mistress
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2282 Posts


Taking down a Supertank

However he is very weak in will power, so spells that do stat damage, in this case Charisma damage would take him down pretty quick.


Posted on 2009-04-18 at 23:30:52.

Sibelius Eos Owm
A Midsummer Knight
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1376 Posts


Actually

I hope you meant Intelligence or Wisdom damage: Charisma is going to take a decent while to knock him off his high horse (pun unintentionally intended).

Paralyzing him would work nicely as well, if you could find a way to do it to him without having to go through that fortitude save. Then you'd have to take out the Wu Jen without giving it chance to end polymorph so that it could cast spells on him that might fix him up.

Another thing though is that you would have to somehow acquire the first initiative place in order to even have a chance at magicking him.

By the way, I think there is a rule about multipiers that you might be missing here. I don't know what it is, but I remember reading that x2 multiplier stacked with x2 multiplier instead becomes a single x3 multiplier, not x4 as standard math would tell you.


Posted on 2009-04-18 at 23:37:49.
Edited on 2009-04-18 at 23:45:10 by Sibelius Eos Owm

Grugg
Gregg
RDI Staff
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Of course

And this one day I take a week and a bit off.

I think I can beat that, without resorting to pun-pun-ery.

I'll get back to you in 2 weeks...


Posted on 2009-04-19 at 01:18:32.

gboy
Wee Grugglet
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1669 Posts


Sibelious...

Where are you noticing the error in crits?

Double damage with a lance, double damage from spirited charge, double damage from Valorous

= x2 and x2 and x2

Which is:

x3 and x2

which goes to

x4


Posted on 2009-04-19 at 01:31:42.

Sibelius Eos Owm
A Midsummer Knight
Karma: 59/5
1376 Posts


Ah, well done

Admittedly I was just making note of it XD I hadn't actually checking your math (all I saw was x2 x3 x4 and stopped by to check). This looks like one heck of a beast to mess with. I can hardly wait for Grugg to come back with something to challenge him. The next thing to do is to pick up a monster out of the epic level handbook and go head to head.
The whole deal with wielding the lance out of the mouth was an interesting image.


Posted on 2009-04-19 at 03:39:21.

   
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