When players post how they are going to react negatively if others do not do what they want it makes the game less fun.  Thought we were supposed to be moving forward without interparty drama.

 

I don't think there is any need for more drama.  As long as Charlie tells Casino about Vegas calling.  And given the previous blowups that should be an obvious thing to do.  If Charlie were to chose not to do so, well, then problems would exist.  But if he does the obvious, no issues.

Leadership - I'd vote co-leadership.  Two alphas that gotta learn to get along. At this point Fixer would go where he is most needed.  He isn't a fighter, he is a techie.

Charlie might choose to wait until after the meet to tell Casino so Casino doesn't blow off the meet.  Or to keep the team focused.  That is a player choice how they play their character.  But telling other players "if you don't do what I want my character is going to cause party drama" is what we were trying to avoid.  

Well I'm sorry you both feel that way, it was not intended to be an excuse for more drama. However I'm not going to stop role playing Casino as I have up to this point over night. Its going to depend on how Charlie and Casino start to work together and how they gain respect for each others skills. If you have yet to read my post, please do so. It clearly shows once again that Casino is starting to respect Charlie and is coming to realize the fixer knows his stuff. I posted in the Q/A as I did to avoid more drama as I do not know what is in Espatiers mind as how he plans to post, but I wanted to let him know what was in mine..

Why wouldn't you be one of the ones not going after Vegas?.  Primarily timing I would think if it would interfere with the Yakuza meet. I did state that we could pick-up Vegas after the meeting if there was not a live or die time table constraint.

 

Seeing as how the whole point of the meeting, at least for Casino at this time, is gaining the Yakuza's aid in recovering Vegas, then yes telling him before the meet is important. I'd rather not role play Casino going to the meet, gaining the Yakuza's aid only to find out that I did not need to bring that topic up and as such look like a fool.

Also even if there is no need to gain help for Vegas would Casino blow off the meet with the Yakuza? Hell no. I'd also like to be able to get work from other sources then just Starlight, and the Yakuza are such an option. Plus gaining a favor or Giri from them is too good to pass up.

No one is saying anything is wrong with your post, Tann; it's your out-of-character messages that tread close to metagaming. Keeper is right; it's a player choice to tell Casino about the Vegas call or not, and Espatier is completely within his right to play that way. I've seen you taking my advice with how you roleplay Casino since we talked, and it's been really awesome and appreciated, but this time it's OOC action that is impeding other people from having fun. If you want to message me to talk about this, please do; I want to help ease this stuff out before we're all at each other's throats.

I'm sorry if this seems to be metagaming, its not. I just wanted to let you, the players, know out of game, how Casino is thinking to avoid more drama. Thats it, nothing more, and really if Charlie waits to tell him then depending on his explanation for why he did so, could easily defuse any such blow-up. I will role play Casino as not knowing about the call up to the point where Charlie tells him about it and not use player knowledge.

Except it comes across as metagaming. Players reacting with the knowledge of "if I do X, then this character will do Y" is meta knowledge, therefore metagaming. I understand you mean this as clarifying Casino's thoughts on the current issue and are trying to avoid drama, but it can be read as threatening other players with drama if they don't react the way you wish to.

Well though I can see that CTP and Keeper do have their points on this, it seems to me that Tann’s meta-gaming was meant to avoid the drama that his past in game posts have caused. Could that not be considered good meta-gaming in it’s intent? Is that not what a games Q/A is for? Yet it seems to have caused the drama he hoped to avoid as your looking at his words, not his reasoning for those words, to stop future game play problems. Or am I totally lost here? At least this has happened in the Q/A and not the game.

I’ll have a post up tonight or tomorrow. Oh and no Tann I’m not sleeping with you in a apt full of gun wielding Edgerunners lol

Were the group sitting around a table this would be much easier to resolve. Flippant comments are often made in the aftermath of character interaction and I would ask that everyone take a breath and realize these two facts:

1. No one person can force another person in this group to do anything. You choose how you want to behave, how you want to reply to other people's behavior, and how you want to play your characters.
2. While it is very easy to take what Tann said in this thread as metagaming it is also a natural conclusion to assume that Casino would be very upset if he were to discover that Charlie had information on his partner and didn't share it. The promise to end drama within the group notwithstanding. 

The problem that we're having here is the perception and assumption that Tann made in OOC statement with the intent to control other people's behavior. This OOC statement is made assuming that Charlie won't share the information he has and then assuming that Casino finds out Charlie had the information before his meet. Both things haven't happened yet. 

I will be finishing up Dragon's character tonight. We just lost a family pet to premature death and I'm hoping that the death of the animal is the only drama I have to actually deal with right now. 

One last word about this from me. I want everyone to have fun. That is absolutely the goal of all of this time spent putting together the adventure, characters, etc. and all the time that we all put into this. I do, however, run more real games than maybe some of you are used to. Cyberpunk is very much a one-shot/one kill possibility. It doesn't matter how "high" a "level" your character is, one bullet can end the character's life. Additionally, I make sure that there are consequences for each behavior (where I can). Some consequences are good, some are bad. Some I put in place because I feel that they are the natural result of behaviors and others I let the die decide. Either way, each decision you make for your characters, everything that they say and do, each interaction with NPCs and with each other results in a Butterfly Effect.

Having stated this, I run this game because I absolutely love the world of Cyberpunk and the genre. I also love this site and have been a part of it for such a large part of my life that I can't imagine my life without it. So, I keep at least one active game on it to help keep it "alive." So, let's keep having fun and keep this game going.

Thanks to Brom (cheers, mate!) for helping me with Guardian. he is now ready to fix all your bumps and scrapes (and those more severe ouchies lol)!

Looking forward to gaming with you guys!

How do I introduce him to the group in game?

I would'nt worry about that Dragon-Soul, I'm pretty certain Brom already has it figured out how he will intro you into the game.

So what are we waiting on, Espatier to post about the call, or an update from you Brom?

everything that is happening right now is hours BEFORE the message, Charlie hasn't even left the apartment yet to go teach.

You say you have yet to leave to go teach. Then why did you post this.......

Mr. Charile comes into the classroom, bows and apologies for his “western” behavior, and asks for the class forgiveness.

“I am Mr. Charlie, I will be your teacher for English and basic studies in English to get you were your young minds wish to be. We will be covering all subjects: American History, American English and Slang ( he flashes an infectious smile to the students), math, science, and many other subjects as well. Now is everyone logged into my agent’s virtual classroom?. You all have had plenty of time for the first few chapters, yes?. GOOD... pop quiz. let’s see what you students know or not know first. Begin! You will have 17 minutes to answer the questions”.

 Time passes, messages buzz in, Charlie sends to VMail, continues the farm the young minds and answer questions, those that he has trouble understanding, Hui Yin, explains and translates so the Mr. Charile can answer the students. 

As promised... more students filter in for a total of 20. Mr. Charile smiles and asks them to sit, makes a few login accounts and passwords, assigned reading, and other tasks. 

With class finally over, Mr. Charlie and Ms. Yin return to his apartment. Ms. Yin and charlie speak about class for a bit, then charlie Shows her out and bids her goodbye, for now, so that he can speak more freely. 

“Do I miss anything while I was away?” Charlie asks the room

Ahhh that to me sounds like you went, teached, and returned, and should be caught up with the rest of us time wise. Espatier if I may I ask a question, how do you measure the passing of time game wise?

everyone else's replies are BEFORE I left, so as of right now we are not in the same instance, does that now make sense to you?