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Topic: RDI stats
Subject: Politics:
From the latin "poli" meaning many and "tics" meaning blood-sucking insects. 
Conservative... Liberal... Moderate... Radical...
*shrugs*
I like cheeseburgers! 
Posted on 2009-10-07 at 23:50:15.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: LMAO
Indeedily doo!
For the record, Alex has "failed his insight check" where Alice is concerned... he knows that there's something not quite right about her and can pick up on the taint to some small degree but, due to having been drinking, lack of sleep, and the recent albiet pleasant distraction provided by Penelope, he's not 100% clear on exactly what he's looking at... Is this just some poor little Gifted kid who's been tainted by whatever through no fault of her own? Or... should I be worried about my cat?...
Posted on 2009-10-07 at 17:54:30.
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Topic: Witchcraft: Stare into the Night
Subject: It's just a little... girl?
Alex was already on the sidewalk before he heard Penelope call out for him to wait. He did stop, of course, in the middle of the walk just outside the front door of the place. His gaze swept the length of the street - turning first in the direction that Smoke had chosen not to go in order to ensure that no nasty surprises might be coming from that direction, then, in the opposite direction to see what the bast had been so anxious to get out and see, A little girl? What? - before he turned his gray eyes back to the siren to acknowledge that he had heard her.
"It's just some kid," Alex shrugged, his eyes tracking back up the street in search of the adults that would surely be close behind their adventurous offspring - there were none. Again, his turned in the opposite direction and regarded Smoke as she padded after the little girl in the blue dress and he wondered, at first, why Smoke would have been so dead-set on getting out of the house just to see a little kid up close, it was at that moment that Alex noticed the funky tinge to the little, blonde girl's aura, and the wings that, he hoped, were nothing more than some weird attempt at a costume even though Halloween had long since passed,
The kid had turned around, then, and spotted Smoke close behind. "Hello kitty," he managed to make out the little blonde's sweet voice as she leaned over and offered her tiny hand to the bast, "are you out for a walk today, too?
All Alex could do was gawk. Aside from the bone and leather wings and the seriously bitter tang that the girl's essence imparted it was almost a cute scene, almost,
"I don't like this," he murmured, casting a sidelong look at Penelope who was now on the sidewalk herself,
Posted on 2009-10-07 at 17:44:44.
Edited on 2016-09-30 at 09:38:24 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Nope... not oblivious...
...but still meditational, Sib.
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwmmmmmmm... Owwwwwwwwwwwwmmmmmmmmm...
 Judging from Nimu's last post, I think Alex may have just lost a client... Idiots!.... Good stuff!
Thought for the day: Alice isn't evil... she's just misunderstood...
Posted on 2009-10-07 at 13:00:57.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Oh...right... stuffed with peanut butter... ;)
Thanks, Meri...
Anyhoo... as a for example to tha above talk of dice rolls, etc... in the present situation, given that Alex isn't privy to the "dream info" that Smoke has gotten from Janelle and has only really "caught a glimpse" of Alice, at this point, once he gets outside and sees that Smoke is chasing after what appears to be a six-year-old girl in a really weird halloween costume, I don't imagine he's actually going to start lobbing soulfire blasts at the little girl just because she's weird looking. Sooo, as long as Alice doesn't go all 'evil', Alex is liable to "back down" of the readying of soulfire and such... no combat actions taken (aside from maybe leaving the shield in place becasue... well there's a glowing ward, may cat's chasing a really freaky kid (who's all alone on the streets of Chicago, no less), and, holy-crap, that little girl's essence is really off isn't it?
Now, if Alice suddenly whirled around and tried to unload on Alex, I imagine there'd be a dice roll to see if he managed to dodge the attack at all or something along those lines... maybe, wouldn't even be necessary at that... I figure as powerful as Alice is, if she wanted to unload on Alex, he may not stand a grand chance of getting out of the way and might just take the brunt of the attack... *shrugs*... Like I said, though, I don't think dice will always be necessary but, if we come to a point where we'd be best off "truxting the dice" I'm, not at all opposed and more than trust everyone involved to be honest and non-fudgers!
Non-fudgers... Peanut butter purple eunuch monkeys... 1, 2, Kangaroo, eleventy-nine!
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 18:51:38.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Combat... dice... rolling with it...
Not so sure that it'll come to combat, myself... at least not yet... I guess we should kind of decide exactly how we'll be handling things like that, though, shouldn't we?
IMO, this whole this is much more about the story (and the storytelling) as opposed to "following the rules" and "fussing with dice rolls" to resolve combat situations, though. The character sheets and other "rules specific stuff" are there as points of reference as opposed to "hard and fast" statistics... *shrugs*... I'm fairly sure that, when it comes to combat situations and the like all of our players are more than trustworthy enough to just kind of "go with the flow" and "take their hits" as appropriate and/or "beneficial to the story telling"... That said, I'm not at all opposed to tossing out some dice rolls when/if we get to a point where the 'randomness' of a dice roll is better than just "winging it".
What was i talking about...
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 18:17:38.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Awwww...
...she loves me!
Okay... there's Alex's update... Smoke's reaction possibly has him more freaked out than the ward itself, at this point and he's pretty sure that Smokie's not telling hims something important (Lucy! Jou got some splainin' to doooo!) but, atm, he's just "backing up his buddy"...
In the absence of his trusty 9mm, Alex has "instinctually" started weaving a shield and is loading up a little Soulfire just in case... hoping it's not necessary just yet but.... *shrug*... Don't freak out my cat, dude! It makes me twitchy!
P.S. Hmmmmm... Yeah... the Indy thing could just work... 
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 15:53:18.
Edited on 2009-10-06 at 15:57:01 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Witchcraft: Stare into the Night
Subject: Out?!?! Are ya nuts?!?!
I was trying to give you some alone time, Smoke had begun to tease as she padded into the room,
Alex turned his eyes her way for a moment, a befuddled expression on his face, and inclined his head towards the glowing sigil as if to say ‘explain that.'
,Whatever playful barb Smoke might have prepared to follow the alone time remark apparently had been quickly forgotten and the bast's languid pace, too, was discarded in deference to a quick dash and leap into the front window, Rosie, the clock,
"Do what?" Alex arched a brow at the very un-Smoke-like reaction, his eyes darting from where the bast stood in the front window, to the clock (still covered by the tapestry he'd draped over it earlier), to the stairway and, finally back to the front door just in time to catch a glimpse of what appeared to be a little girl skipping happily past the shop. "What the hell're you talkin' about, sweetheart," he had been prepared to ask just as Smoke tensed and sprang from the window and raced to the door,
Alice? No, It can't be,
"Alice," he repeated, his eyes glancing curiously in Penelope's direction before returning to Smoke, who was now desperately trying to get a hold on the doorknob, "Who's Alice? What's goin' on, Ellgawen,"
Damn lack of thumbs! the bast was obviously ignoring his questions and was dead-set on getting outside, for some reason. Let me out Alex, she demanded, now, I need to get a better look, LET ME OUT!
Alex's eyes went wide and, while he hesitated for a brief instant, his hand did move to open the door for the bast. Smoke was always a bit pushy but it was a very rare thing for her to be so demanding and even rarer for her to express the sort of urgency that she was now. The insistence of her tone and her actions caused him to almost instinctually begin gathering and focusing his essence, He didn't like it.
"All right," he said, his hand closing on the doorknob as he cast an uncertain glance in Penelope's direction, "Relax. We're goin',"
As he swung the door open and stepped across the threshold in Smoke's wake, Alex's hand reached for the Glock that was usually tucked in the waist of his jeans only to find that it wasn't there, Never got it off the nightstand this morning, Damn! Rather than lament the weapon's absence though, he focused some of the gathering essence into the beginnings of a shield and bent the rest towards something that, hopefully, he wouldn't need,
"I'll be right back," he said to Penelope without looking in her direction - his eyes were intent on chasing the bast up the sidewalk and his feet were quick to follow, I hope, he added mentally,
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 15:49:01.
Edited on 2016-09-30 at 09:37:08 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: I've always imagined...
...that Smoke is pretty open with him about the fact that she considers herself "Alex's guardian," myself. True, he's probably not seen half of what she can do but I'd imagine that he trusts her when she tells him that she can handle herself, etc...
Anyway, all of that aside, Alex will surely be hesitant about letting her out, regardless... He'll do it, of course, but... *sigh*...I'm afraid he won't be able to let her go alone... And that little girl really creeps me out, too...
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 13:52:09.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Don't you mean if?
Alex ain't about to let poor, defenseless, li'l kitty out into the big bad world to get all squishified by creepy demon girl! Huh-uh!!!
Oh... wait... li'l kitty = Smoke... Yeah... okay... you can go out.
Posted on 2009-10-06 at 13:39:50.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Groovy!
Thanks, Rer!
You, too, Nimu... I alluded to the fact that Mami Fortuna and Alex didn't really communicate well in their previous meeting(s), I think. (Alex only has your average cop's skills in Spanish and Mami has her 1 level in Speak English, so I'm sure that not all of whatever may have been said between the two of them was wildly misinterpreted on either side of those conversations... )
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 19:05:01.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Good question...
...here's another just for verification purposes...
Would all of the wards Janelle taped up be glowing or just the ones that are "within proximity" of Alice (i.e. the one on the front door and, now, the one on Alex's watch)?
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 18:08:41.
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Topic: Loaded Dice: Strip #20
Subject: Read it...
...love it...
...vote for it!!!
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 16:26:45.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Yay!
Glad that you're back and that your weekend was so spectacular! 
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 14:50:21.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: LOL
Now, that all depends... If Alice just kinda skips on by, Alex might kinda gawk and make some off the cuff remark but, if Alice decides to come trick or treatin'... 
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 00:25:45.
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Topic: New Spores of Itanlok Q/A ~ 1
Subject: No worries...
...Crully will surely be looking for tracks before giving his opinion of which path he thinks might be best.
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 00:18:15.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Just a short one...
...but enough for now, I think.
Figured that, if the ward on the door was glowing, the one on Alex's watch would likely do the same once he got "within range"... If that's not what you had in mind, lemme know and I'll edit.
P.S. Same goes for the bit about Mami Fortuna... I think Nimu and I discussed that Alex and the old seeress had a "passing acquaintance" as mentioned in the post but I could be mistaken.
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 00:15:07.
Edited on 2009-10-05 at 00:23:34 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Witchcraft: Stare into the Night
Subject: ???
"Today or tomorrow," Penelope answered, "it matters not when."
When she paused to chew thoughtfully on her lip, Alex found himself wanting to do the same thing, Dammit, lady! You gotta stop that,
"I live in Pilsen," she continued softly, "There is an old, homeless woman who frequents the neighborhood. She is a seer and, despite her fear, is quite powerful. Perhaps we might be able to convince her to help us learn more of these Azazelites?"
"Mami Fortuna," Alex nodded... He'd had an encounter or two of his own with Pilsen's ‘resident' fortune-teller in the past. The crazy old woman had provided him a connection with a small coven in that neighborhood that, just as she had predicted, had been willing to help him out on a Zazy hunt. She had also followed him down the streets, prattling on in Spanish that was too fast for him to keep up with, something about fate and devils, it had creeped him out and he remembered being grateful that he had been drunk when he spoke to her, "Yeah, I know about her," he chuckled softly, "From what I remember she's not all together there but her information's usually reliable if you can keep her on track,"
Penelope had turned to look curiously at the front door, then, and had already risen from her seat before Alex noticed that the ‘ward' Rosie had taped to the front door was glowing like a bonfire on Samhain,
"¿Qué es eso?"
"What the hell?" Alex parroted the woman's curious tone as he, too, moved towards the front door. "That ain't right," he murmured, squinting and then rubbing his eyes as if to ensure that he was seeing correctly, "that's not even a real ward," When he tentatively reached a hand out to touch the glowing symbol, though, he noticed that the faux-ward that Rosie had created for his watch had also flared to life.
",What the hell," he repeated, this time with more emphasis.
"Smoke," he called, hopefully loud enough that his voice would carry to the bast, "you might wanna come see this."
Posted on 2009-10-05 at 00:12:17.
Edited on 2016-09-30 at 09:31:22 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: New Spores of Itanlok Q/A ~ 1
Subject: If it makes you (or Baldorf) feel better...
...Crulgrin doesn't have a single braid in his beard, either, gboy. 
Posted on 2009-10-04 at 14:17:15.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: :)
Them's the perils of having freetime on your hands, I guess, Nimu.
Updated the characters thread to include some stats for Lucius... still toying with metaphysics and such for him but attribs and some other bits are there.
Posted on 2009-10-03 at 12:29:45.
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: I kinda like it...
...I'm sure that if Alex notices the ward glowing, he'll likely be curious(if that's even the appropriate word) about that very thing...
Of course, I think he's still 'fascinated' by his client so he may just fail his spot check (or perception check or notice check or whatever it is...)
P.S. Meri- yes, I believe the posts I "reassigned" to you ladies in that thread do, in fact, go towards your post count.
Posted on 2009-10-02 at 21:03:14.
Edited on 2009-10-02 at 21:15:27 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Stare into the Night characters
Subject: NPC - Lucius Macaire Le Deschamps
Lucius Macaire Le Deschamps
Concept: Scoundrel
Association: Fellowship of Judas
Undead gain +3 to any Resisted Test or Task vs. an Inspired Miracle or Prayer that directly affects or restrains a member while performing a task of redemption. Non-Undead get +2 to any Resisted Test or Task vs. any Undead effect or Power (if used by non-undead).
Character type: Vampyre
Description
Gender: Male
Age: 684
Height: 5’ 8”
Weight: 150 lbs
Hair: Black (worn long but very neat)
Eyes: Dark brown
Attributes
Strength: 7
Dexterity: 6
Constitution: 6
Intelligence: 3
Perception: 4
Willpower: 3
Life Points: 62
Endurance: 0
Speed: 24
Essence: 65
Essence Channeling: 1
Qualities and Drawbacks:
Vampyre: 1 (15/), ***still working
Skills:
Acting: 4 (4/0), Fine Arts (Painting): 3 (3/0), Hand Weapon (Foil/Rapier): 5 (5/0), Humanities (Art History): 3 (3/0), (History): 5 (/), (Philosophy): 3 (/), (Wicce Theology): 3 (/), Language (English): 3 (3/0), (Spanish): 3 (/), (Latin): 2 (/), Occult Knowledge: 3 (6/0), Rituals (Vampyre): 3 (3/0), Seduction: 4 (4/0), ***still working
Metaphysics:
Bard: 1 (9/0), Manipulate Emotions: 1 (2/0), ***still working
Notes on Lucius as sent to Nimu via PM for her post in which Penelope meets with the vampyre. Updates as required and possibly even a character sheet at some point
I hadn't really developed Lucius much beyond the fact that he's a Vampyre that showed up the night crap went south for Alex and was largely responsible for running off Eddie and the remaining Zazies that were intent of finishing Alex off... Maybe he even 'fed' on Alex some and that's what kept our miserable PI from actually giving up the ghost that night. *shrug* He's very old in my estimation (although I imagine him looking a bit like Armand in Interview With a Vampire, if that helps), born in France but has been a Chicago resident for a good century or more. (Had an idea originally that the "Great Fire" was actually started by some overzealous mundanes who discovered him once and tried to rid the city of him, but never really developed that too much). In the three plus years that have elapsed since that night, Lucius has kept in touch with Alex because, for some reason, he likes the guy and feels some kind of compulsion to "help him out" from time to time, most specifically alerting Alex to the identity or whereabouts of Zazies when and if he encounters them (he absolutely abhors tainted essence, you know... it's like spoiled wine to him and, by god, if this mortal witch is bent on cleaning the city of those bearing the stuff, he's more than happy to assist.)
What else? Very aristocratic... loves the nightlife (a la clubs, trendy restaurants, etc, and can usually be found in one of these types of places after the sun goes down) and very well dressed if somewhat of an anachronism in his choice of style. Lucius hasn't actually killed or 'turned' any of his victims in quite a long time (aside from those who may have actually deserved it)... he enjoys watching the antics of humans and often has fond recollections when he, himself, was other than what he is, now... although he does love his "life" and the opportunity it has given him to watch the rest of the world grow... Ummmm... rather friendly to most folks... I expect would be very friendly to Penelope and, if he was assured that she intended Alex no harm, would gladly lead her or direct her right to his door... "But of course, mon cheri, you'll find Alexander's offices on North Street in Old Town. Look for the Eye of Ra on the door... You can't miss it."
Posted on 2009-10-02 at 19:27:56.
Edited on 2009-10-03 at 12:28:09 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Stare into the Night Q&A
Subject: Feel free...
...I saved you a space for specifically for her in the new thread.
Meri - you have a spot reserved for Katul
Nimu - have one for el padre malo waiting for you, as well.
Edit as you will.
Posted on 2009-10-02 at 19:21:03.
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Topic: Stare into the Night characters
Subject: NPC - Joe Kelly
Joe Kelly
Concept: Reluctant Hero (at least for the purposes of this story... I don't imagine Joe is going to want to believe in magic and immortals and such... and he sure isn't gonna be happy about getting wrapped up in a "war" between gifted and supernaturals...)
Character type: Mundane Hero
Description
Gender: Male | Age: 35 | Height: 6'1" | Weight: 225
Race: Caucasian | Hair: Red | Eyes: Green
Strength: 5 Dexterity: 3 Constitution: 5
Intelligence: 3 Perception: 4 Willpower: 5
Life Points: 56
Endurance: 50
Speed: 16
Essence: 25
Qualities and Drawbacks: Level (Cost/XPs)
Hard to Kill: 2 (2/0), Contacts: 5 (5/0), Nerves of Steel: 1 (3/0), Situational Awareness: 1 (2/0), Fast Reaction Time : 1 (2/0), Honorable: 3 (-3/0), Cruel: 1 (-1/0),
Skills: Level (Cost/XPs)
Weight Lifting(): 2 (2/0), Sport (Football): 4 (4/0), Brawling: 5 (5/0), Guns (Handgun): 5 (5/0), (Rifle/Shotgun): 4 (/), First Aid: 2 (2/0), Questioning: 5 (5/0), Intimidation: 3 (3/0), Streetwise: 3 (3/0), Driving (Car): 2 (2/0), Surveillance: 3 (3/0), Humanities (Law): 4 (4/0), Notice: 2 (2/0),
Thoughts/RP notes on Joe Kelly:
Note: this is a copy/paste of the info I sent to gboy when he was considering playing Joe... that's why it probably reads like a PM...
Joe Kelly and Alex Sharpe were partners on the Chicago PD for a good majority of their careers. If they didn't go to college or the academy together they certainly met shortly thereafter (perhaps when they were newly badged patrolmen or some such) and became friends, working together often even before they both made detective and actually got partnered up together on the Homicide Squad. They'd butt heads from time to time, of course, whether it was in the way a case (or a suspect) might've been handled or the standard disagreements that all friends might find themselves haggling over (politics, sports, religion - Joe's a Catholic (perhaps not devout, but definitely raised in that church) whereas Alex is a born and raised Wicce (like Joe, though, he wasn't terribly devout in regards to that... in fact, despite being "gifted" he never actively "practiced the craft" until after his wife was murdered). Anyhoo... like any "cop buddies" Alex and Joe were friends on and off duty (probably became best friends, even), had "family cookouts" together, etc. At that time, they were also known as two of the "best cops" in homicide and typically got handed the "big cases", yaddahyaddahyaddah...
Anyhoo, one night about three years ago or so, Joe and Alex are working a case when Alex gets a call on his cell... It's from a member of Emily's coven who, at the time, were convened at a warehouse performing some, as yet to be defined, ritual (which, Emily had repeatedly tried to get Alex to attend)... anyway, there's not much conversation on the call but there is a lot of screaming, shouting, and "god awful noise" (the coven is in the process of getting slaughtered by a group of Azazelites). Alex completely freaks out and just flat out abandons the crime scene that he and Joe are working and tears off to go find/help Emily and her coven... He gets to the warehouse and finds Emily and the other twelve members of her coven hanging upside down, flayed open, etc (here begins the "breaking point" or turning point, if you prefer, for Alex)... Long story short, here, there's still a handful of Zazies (a term Alex has coined for the cultists since this all happened) in the warehouse, too... Alex manages to shoot one but gets overpowered and ends up being tortured an nearly killed by them as well (this bit was alluded to in the Sharpness of Smoke thread that can be found in the Personal Creations forum here on the Inn... a Vampyre named Lucius showed up and ...scared the Zazies off, quite possibly saving Alex's life).
Joe eventually tracks Alex to the warehouse (having handed off the investigation they were working to whoever) and finds him, Em and her coven, and the one dead Zazy in the horrific, blood spattered crime scene... Alex is the only one close to alive. Joe does the "cop thing" - gets ambulances rolling, calls for backup, etc
Alex spends the next several weeks in the hospital and is obviously agonizing over his wife's death... even blaming himself (which he still does to this day, in fact)... Joe is handed the case which, unfortunately goes cold before too long (those Zazies are secretive, sneaky bastards, after all, and most "mundanes" wouldn't even have a clue how or even where to start looking). Alex finally gets released from the hospital and wallows in his misery (and drowning himself in scotch) at home while still recuperating (it's about this point at which Alex starts actively practicing the craft and honing his "gift")... Joe keeps Alex posted on the progress, of course, but, unfortunately there's not much progress being made and the department ends up shuffling the whole thing off to the "cold case" files. Alex returns to the force for a very short time, due to his burgeoning alcoholism, depression, and such, though, he's not put back out on the streets and gets exceedingly frustrated at the whole situation... ends up just quitting the force all together and, basically, just disappears from site... not contacting Joe or anyone else for that matter, etc, etc, etc...
Alex does end up getting a Private Investigators license and a concealed carry permit, though... (mainly so he can "pretend" to be doing the job while he's actually hunting down and killing any Azazelite he can find... especially the ones he remembers from that night... He does take the "real case" from time to time, of course, but he's hardcore into the vengeance thing... pretty careful about making sure none of his dirty deeds are traceable back to him, of course, and rarely leaves any sort of evidence behind when he finds and kills one of the Zazies. Unfortunately, Alex was super drunk when he geeked the most recent Zazy (the one mentioned in the current thread) and made more than one mistake in the act... it'll be part of my next post, in fact, so you'll likely be able to glean more details from that. In fact, that last kill of Alex's is what brought Joe to the shop in the opening post of the Stare thread and, if you haven't read the thread yet, is what's going to drag Joe back into Alex's life and, maybe, open his eyes to the fact that there's more to the Witchy Hocus Pocus crap than he might've imagined...
Anyway, Joe and Alex haven't seen much of each other or even spoken much in the past couple of years (the occasional phone call to say Happy Birthday or How ya doin' maybe a chance meeting at a bar called Clancy's where cops from the precinct tend to gather (see the Sharpeness of Smoke thread for more details there)- Both men still consider the other one a friend but have gone separate ways on their life paths... Joe's still a cop, of course, and Alex is a grungy, alcoholic, down on his luck PI who runs his "business" out of the Wicce bookshop that his wife opened up years ago - all the bookshop stuff is still there but the signage now reads "Sharpe Eye Investigations".
Ummm... what else? I figure Joe to be a friggin bull of a guy... Built like a linebacker... Of obvious Irish decent... and a good cop... I figure that, over the course of the telling of the tale, Joe's going to find out that Alex might've actually been responsible for killing not just the Zazy he's found at the beginning of the tale but possibly more as well... However, as Joe starts getting drawn back into Alex's life and gets "awakened" to the things going on in the world that most mundanes are oblivious to, he'll probably come to understand why...
Posted on 2009-10-02 at 19:19:23.
Edited on 2016-10-18 at 15:48:07 by Eol Fefalas
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Topic: Stare into the Night characters
Subject: Spacer
Just cuz ya never know
Posted on 2009-10-02 at 19:18:50.
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